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Offline KOM

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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2017, 11:49:29 am »
The crickets from management are getting louder.

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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2017, 11:51:33 am »
You must have missed JWT's response. You know who's that, right?
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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2017, 12:10:19 pm »
Yes, I know who he is.  I didn't think his answer was very informative.  I didn't appreciate his complaint about anonymous users, as if that had anything to do with anything.  I also don't appreciate threads being locked because someone is asking inconvenient questions, even if they're being asked in an abrasive manner.  If dok was being unfair, smack him down with facts.  If he was being incorrect, correct him and teach the rest of us at the same time.  Complaining about tone and then locking the thread just looks like you're trying to dodge the issue being discussed.

I don't really have a horse in this race since I am not a programmer and wouldn't know what to do with pfSense source code if I tripped over it.  However, I do support the philosophy in that for you to call yourself open source, your recent code must be available and able to be compiled.  I realize that different people have different opinions of what makes open source "open", but those two for me are the biggies.  I have no idea about the veracity of dok's claims, but if in fact the source is many months out of date and very difficult to compile then to me that is not following the spirit of open source, merely the letter.

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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2017, 12:25:38 pm »
I will do pretty much anything (I have witnesses and accusers)

But I'd never troll.  The subject of code, is near and dear to my heart.  I find it interesting.

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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2017, 12:51:37 pm »
I also don't appreciate threads being locked because someone is asking inconvenient questions, even if they're being asked in an abrasive manner.  If dok was being unfair, smack him down with facts.  If he was being incorrect, correct him and teach the rest of us at the same time.  Complaining about tone and then locking the thread just looks like you're trying to dodge the issue being discussed.

Thread was locked temporarily to prevent drama until I got in touch with Jim. Thread was unlocked shortly after that with Jim's response. I don't know where was this complaint about tone you're referring to.

Perhaps you are talking about dok's rude pm's to me after the thread was locked? You may be referring to dok's second thread which I rightfully removed because it had comments like "Who the hell locked the source code topic without having the balls to answer there?". Rules apply to everyone, we're not asking for too much, just basic mutual respect and politeness.
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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2017, 01:25:41 pm »
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I don't know where was this complaint about tone you're referring to.

Probably from the other thread.

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Perhaps you are talking about dok's rude pm's to me after the thread was locked?

Well no.  How would I be aware of PMs you receive??

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Rules apply to everyone, we're not asking for too much, just basic mutual respect and politeness.

No argument from me there.

I can't help but notice you didn't address anything I said in my reply other than the 'tone' comment.

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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2017, 04:04:32 pm »
I don't really need to respond to every statement. Jim replied but you didn't think his answer was informative.

I can't help but notice how deeply concerned open source "individuals" show up only when they need something from us. I can't help but notice there's no concern when individuals and companies sell hardware using our trademarks. I don't see a concern when many sell pfSense even if hurts the pfSense project. I haven't seen much concern about certain projects "forgetting" our copyrights even though they are behind this nonsense. Or when certain companies want to take our trademark from us. Same crowd is the loudest when they need something from us. So that's why I feel I don't need to respond to every statement or accusation.

I didn't see much concern when an individual and his friend behind pf2ad plugin, which is SAMBA fueled nightmare that supposedly connects pfSense with Active directory, took over our Facebook group with over 10,000 members. All of mods were banned and they used the group for selling their own products and services . Result? When we complained to Facebook they deleted the group. 10,000 members group gone. Nobody cared.

For AES-NI heads-up or little pop-up saying "don't sell pfSense" we get moral lessons and lectures on how to run our business but when it comes to matters that are directly hurting pfSense project, zero interest from the same crowd. When we announced AES-NI requirement for future pfSense, at one point someone called a Netgate CEO (Jim's wife) a pedophile. Few weeks back when the "Absolutely No Commercial Distribution Is Allowed" pop-up appeared we got several "open source advocates" call and yell at our sales staff. We were threatened with lawsuits and I quote "everything possible to destroy the project".

Individuals and companies who profit the most from our multi-million dollar investments will not lecture us about open source. We welcome them to invest the same amount of effort, knowledge and resources and then they can make demands.
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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2017, 05:04:37 pm »
I can't help but notice there's no concern when individuals and companies sell hardware using our trademarks. I don't see a concern when many sell pfSense even if hurts the pfSense project. I haven't seen much concern about certain projects "forgetting" our copyrights even though they are behind this nonsense. Or when certain companies want to take our trademark from us.

You continue to miss the point.  I respect your Intellectual Property.  You have every right, moral and legal, to protect your IP.  It is understandably very difficult to protect IP when it is made open source.  People will abuse, bend, or ignore the licensing terms under which the source code is provided.  If protecting the IP is proving too difficult to do and interfering with your profits simply close the source.  However, it appears you want it both ways.  As many others have stated, code is either open source or it isn't.  Don't plaster "open source" on every single piece of marketing material and then complain about the difficulties of protecting your IP when forum members ask where the source code is.

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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2017, 05:07:45 pm »
I think you are missing the point above. I suggest you read it again. pfSense is still open source. Those who question this should probably learn more about it. Before asking more questions read what I wrote above.
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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2017, 05:56:35 pm »
pfSense is still open source. Those who question this should probably learn more about it.

About what? Half-year outdated censored source code? Stop this, it's just harming the project...
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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2017, 06:16:29 pm »
What's censored source code? You cannot alter the fact that pfSense is open source. You are the one who is harming the project with unfounded claims, so you should stop. We don't work for you.

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Dok was just banned from our forums after ignoring repeated warnings to stop with his false statements and denigration of members. Because the question will arise surely, he was not banned because of this thread but because of the following matter:

https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=138804.msg759506#msg759506

That was his response to jwt: https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=138804.msg759343#msg759343

This really should not come as a surprise to most of our regular community members as we all have seen doktornotor attitude over time.
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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2017, 08:25:17 pm »
Smooth move, ban one of the communities top contributors because he didn't play nice with you.

All you did was make a public statement that you won't answer the hard questions... If dok wants to remain a member of the forum he will. It will take him about 90 seconds to make a new account and bypass your ban....

Really clever move.

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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2017, 08:27:07 pm »
Regardless of how many times you claim that the question has been answered, the many threads you've been suppressing lately should be proof enough that your community isn't buying it.

Also, the other stuff.you linked to about how dok called the pfSense team out over the 2.4.x release... Well the 2.4.x release has been a shit show. You should be embarrassed.


I'm sure my ban is imminent now for having spoken my mind in such an inconvenient manner.
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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2017, 08:39:29 pm »
Smooth move, ban one of the communities top contributors because he didn't play nice with you.

All you did was make a public statement that you won't answer the hard questions... If dok wants to remain a member of the forum he will. It will take him about 90 seconds to make a new account and bypass your ban....

Really clever move.

Did I not point out the reason why was he banned? It's not really my problem Dok made serious efforts to get himself banned. Dok is out for good, if he creates another account it will be removed immediately.

Dok abused the contributor card for far too long. We had years long patience with him, but his attitude in the past few days was unacceptable.
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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2017, 08:46:06 pm »
I don't know if you've seen your own karma rating or read over your own posts, but you aren't fooling anyone into believing you're the "good guy mod" just trying to keep topics on track.

Also, really? You think you'll immediately remove his future accounts? Come on.... You moderate a forum for a firewall that supports whole network VPNs, proxy's, etc. Are you kidding me?
Don't worry though, I'm sure after this he's.no longer interested.

Years of contributions and a few days of "bad attitude" means he's out for good? You just said that.... And you thought you were taking the high road.