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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2017, 08:46:59 pm »
Regardless of how many times you claim that the question has been answered, the many threads you've been suppressing lately should be proof enough that your community isn't buying it.

Also, the other stuff.you linked to about how dok called the pfSense team out over the 2.4.x release... Well the 2.4.x release has been a shit show. You should be embarrassed.

I'm sure my ban is imminent now for having spoken my mind in such an inconvenient manner.

No, I'm not going to ban you for that. Even though that's far from just inconvenient manner but rather rude and disrespectful manner. 2.4.x release is pretty much awesome. There were couple of bugs, but all issues were identified and fixed quickly. There release tempo proves it. We switched 2.4 from FreeBSD 11.0 to 11.1 in matter of 10 days, released 2.4, issued dnsmasq fix which was quickly followed by KRACK fix in 2.4.1. We're nearly done with 2.4.2 which should be out next week. That's something that anyone with common decency would appreciate and be grateful for. Anyone but you.
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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2017, 08:57:03 pm »
I don't know if you've seen your own karma rating or read over your own posts, but you aren't fooling anyone into believing you're the "good guy mod" just trying to keep topics on track.

You aren't fooling anyone with account registered in August 2017. You don't think I recognize this hostility?


Also, really? You think you'll immediately remove his future accounts? Come on.... You moderate a forum for a firewall that supports whole network VPNs, proxy's, etc. Are you kidding me?
Don't worry though, I'm sure after this he's.no longer interested.

He can try.

Years of contributions and a few days of "bad attitude" means he's out for good? You just said that.... And you thought you were taking the high road.

That's where you're dead wrong. We have literally spent years trying to make this work, despite his attitude. Dok's contributions were good but that doesn't allow him to be rude and disrespectful. He certainly isn't the only or the biggest contributor around. We received many complaints about his attitude over years, but we somehow always found way to convince people he means well. Don't blame us for ban, he did everything in his power to deserve it.
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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2017, 09:01:09 pm »
You run an awfully defensive show here for a guy who's got it all figured out.

Bottom line, a legitimate question has been asked and reiterated and never addressed. You've locked and banned and I'm sure will continue to do so, but it's just a matter of time until the question gets asked again, and again.

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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2017, 09:04:44 pm »
You run an awfully defensive show here for a guy who's got it all figured out.

Bottom line, a legitimate question has been asked and reiterated and never addressed. You've locked and banned and I'm sure will continue to do so, but it's just a matter of time until the question gets asked again, and again.

What have I locked? Who did I ban (apart from dok obviously)? Is this admission that I was correct, that you were previously banned from our forums and that this is indeed your alt account?

Legitimate question was asked and answered. It can't be more clear than that. Let me repeat it, pfSense is open source. pfSense will remain open source. FreeBSD-src will be upstreamed when it's ready. That doesn't make pfSense any less open source. We don't work for dok or for any 3rd party pushing their agenda.
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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2017, 09:09:32 pm »
Do you have any more insults or are you done?
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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2017, 09:14:01 pm »
The previously mentioned locked thread and I'm pretty sure there was another one or two...


I think I've seen some stuff on Reddit about this crap too?


Honestly, I don't have a horse in this race. I just use this for my home network and I think it's great.

Dok sure wasn't the first guy to mention that the source code for the pfSense project is at best poorly distribted.

I also agree with previous posters that pfSense is a great product that has obvuiosuly been the target of a lot of funding. You have every right to defend your copyright and i (we) are primarily on your team against those who infringe upon it.

The questions has just been why is the open source project so opaque to the community (developers). And it's never been answered really, just a bunch of really, really defensive statements.

You say that everyone else's attitude is out of line for questioning you, but your attitude has been just that everyone else has to accept your half answers or suffer the consequences....

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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2017, 09:17:15 pm »
Not insults, observations. To be clear I'm actually a huge fan of pfSense. Just not of your "management" of the PR for the project.

And sure, I'm done. You definitely aren't going to change your tune based on anything I or anyone else in your community has to say.

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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #52 on: October 26, 2017, 09:20:42 pm »
The previously mentioned locked thread and I'm pretty sure there was another one or two...

Which previously mentioned and locked thread? Are you sure you read this thread correctly? There was *no* other thread from Dok that was locked. Dok referenced only *one* thread.


I think I've seen some stuff on Reddit about this crap too?

Do you have any link to back your claims?


Honestly, I don't have a horse in this race. I just use this for my home network and I think it's great.

Dok sure wasn't the first guy to mention that
 the source code for the pfSense project is at best poorly distribted.

I also agree with previous posters that pfSense is a great product that has obvuiosuly been the target of a lot of funding. You have every right to defend your copyright and i (we) are primarily on your team against those who infringe upon it.

The questions has just been why is the open source project so opaque to the community (developers). And it's never been answered really, just a bunch of really, really defensive statements.

You say that everyone else's attitude is out of line for questioning you, but your attitude has been just that everyone else has to accept your half answers or suffer the consequences....

Is this a monologue now? You ignore my response?
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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #53 on: October 26, 2017, 09:24:31 pm »
Not insults, observations. To be clear I'm actually a huge fan of pfSense. Just not of your "management" of the PR for the project.

And sure, I'm done. You definitely aren't going to change your tune based on anything I or anyone else in your community has to say.

No insults? Baseless claims that "2.4.x is shit show" are not insults? I'm glad you're done, I hope you feel better. Believe it or not, not everyone thinks like you or dok. pfSense project will continue to exist and be open source.
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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2017, 09:27:15 pm »
You aren't really reaponding.

Just telling me to dig through the internet to prove to you that this isn't the first time this discussion has come up.

I already said dok isn't the first, you know this. You just attempted to invalidate his inquiry "because attitude" and move on like nothing happened.

There's no point in me digging through the internet to prove to you what you already know.

I'm confident that if you are willing to invalidate doks questions and ban him because he didn't use his inside voice with you then you'll do the same with any other person who asks the question. So what's the point in wasting my time.


Like I said, you aren't going to change your tune for anyone.

Prove me wrong. You only stand to benefit.

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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2017, 09:30:09 pm »
Well you've got long threads on this forum about the problems of 2.4.x

No one here wants pfSense to stop. We're here because we like and support it.

It is both possible and normal to support something in general without agreeing on every point. You simply harbor a highly defensive attitude.

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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2017, 09:31:37 pm »
You aren't really reaponding.

Just telling me to dig through the internet to prove to you that this isn't the first time this discussion has come up.

I already said dok isn't the first, you know this. You just attempted to invalidate his inquiry "because attitude" and move on like nothing happened.

There's no point in me digging through the internet to prove to you what you already know.


Then why do you bother commenting if you're not willing to provide any proof to your claims? What's the point of your comments?

I'm confident that if you are willing to invalidate doks questions and ban him because he didn't use his inside voice with you then you'll do the same with any other person who asks the question. So what's the point in wasting my time.

I was really clear why dok was banned.


Like I said, you aren't going to change your tune for anyone.

Prove me wrong. You only stand to benefit.

Did you not read my explanation on why was Dok banned?


Oh and are you really going to ignore my question whether you were previously banned from our forums?
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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #57 on: October 26, 2017, 09:35:38 pm »
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Honestly, I don't have a horse in this race. I just use this for my home network and I think it's great.

Me too. And having been around this forum and many others like it, this was until today one of the best. I'm sure many here were also users of M0n0 and then FreeNAS back in the day. Anyone remember that forum? Whoa.

Without knowing the inner workings of the various BSD and other licenses involved I agree that the question has still not been answered. It's been mentioned many times that the only difference between the community edition and the Netgate version is a couple of VPN and cloud packages. Knowing that pfSense was open source I expected that meant every last line regardless of edition.

Why would any fix that that will ultimately be incorporated into an upstream open source project remain closed unless it relates to some not-yet-in-the-wild vulnerability? I understand "when it's ready" as it relates to releases, but what about a few lines of code related to a bug fix? I assure you that had the mod/dev team responses been a bit more clear I certainly would not be jumping in.

I have zero plans to ever build pfSense but thought I knew was open source meant, or at least expected that if closed source existed in the either version it would be made very clear.

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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #58 on: October 26, 2017, 09:38:50 pm »
The topic isn't dok, it's the question he asked and you didn't answer.

And yes, you did ban me before as pfBasic - because you personally had issues with me, not because of any community issue.

Obviously your bans mean nothing, other than public statements of your own intolerance.


Clearly you'll ban this account now, clearly I'll just make a different account in about 90 seconds and bypass your ban again... Or just log onto another account that already exists.  ::) Lol.

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Re: Where is the pfSense 2.4.x FreeBSD OS source code
« Reply #59 on: October 26, 2017, 09:40:47 pm »
Well you've got long threads on this forum about the problems of 2.4.x

No one here wants pfSense to stop. We're here because we like and support it.

It is both possible and normal to support something in general without agreeing on every point. You simply harbor a highly defensive attitude.

You are contradicting yourself. You insult the project and its developers and then claim you like and support it. Responding to your insults doesn't make me defensive.
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