Netgate SG-1000 microFirewall

Author Topic: New packages subsection for Squid-related stuff  (Read 2505 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline doktornotor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8553
  • Karma: +962/-278
  • Not a pfSense employee, they cannot fire me...
    • View Profile
New packages subsection for Squid-related stuff
« on: March 02, 2015, 12:58:29 pm »
I for one would prefer to not wade through the tons of posts about people breaking their firewalls with pointless proxies. Extremely hard to find relevant info regarding the remaining 99% of packages -- the entire packages section is literally swamped with squid threads.

Thank you.
Do NOT PM for help!

Offline mhab12

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 694
  • Karma: +7/-0
    • View Profile
Re: New packages subsection for Squid-related stuff
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2015, 12:38:13 pm »
Me too, but for the opposite reason.  We use squid and having a defined area for it would be nice.  Win/win.

Offline jdillard

  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 534
  • Karma: +124/-1
  • Web Dude
    • View Profile
    • Personal Website
Re: New packages subsection for Squid-related stuff
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2015, 01:53:05 pm »
I agree that child boards for popular packages would make for better usability. Not sure where to draw the line, but I guess we could start with Squid.

Offline jdillard

  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 534
  • Karma: +124/-1
  • Web Dude
    • View Profile
    • Personal Website
Re: New packages subsection for Squid-related stuff
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2015, 02:06:50 pm »
What seems better:

 - Child board per specific package (each squid variant gets its own, that would be about 4 potential child boards)
 - Child board for general package (all squid packages go into one child board)

I don't see any potential issues with the latter and think it would be more usable.

Offline KOM

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5594
  • Karma: +688/-23
    • View Profile
Re: New packages subsection for Squid-related stuff
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2015, 02:48:36 pm »
I have no problem with a separate board, but this wouldn't even be an issue if the Squid packages were in any shape to use when 2.2 was released.  A lot of testing and some work from Marcello has largely fixed the teething issues, so I would expect the screams of agony to die down soon enough.

Offline doktornotor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8553
  • Karma: +962/-278
  • Not a pfSense employee, they cannot fire me...
    • View Profile
Re: New packages subsection for Squid-related stuff
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2015, 08:24:13 am »
What seems better:

 - Child board per specific package (each squid variant gets its own, that would be about 4 potential child boards)
 - Child board for general package (all squid packages go into one child board)

Well, I think 1/ is an overkill, plus people will fail to use the proper section anyway. :D

Also, snort/suricata would be worth a subsection I guess.
Do NOT PM for help!

Offline jimp

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 21556
  • Karma: +1470/-26
    • View Profile
Re: New packages subsection for Squid-related stuff
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2015, 08:58:54 am »
I'd say one for squid (and its related bits like lightsquid, squidGuard, etc.), one for snort/suricata (perhaps "IDS/IPS Packages"), but beyond that I'm not sure any warrant a package-specific board. Maybe one for "network monitoring" which could include a group of packages such as ntopng, bandwidthd, etc.
Need help fast? Commercial Support!

Co-Author of pfSense: The Definitive Guide. - Check the Doc Wiki for FAQs.

Do not PM for help!

Offline jdillard

  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 534
  • Karma: +124/-1
  • Web Dude
    • View Profile
    • Personal Website
Re: New packages subsection for Squid-related stuff
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2015, 11:07:04 am »
It seems child boards based on package function is the way to go.

Offline doktornotor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8553
  • Karma: +962/-278
  • Not a pfSense employee, they cannot fire me...
    • View Profile
Re: New packages subsection for Squid-related stuff
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2015, 12:01:53 pm »
I'd say one for squid (and its related bits like lightsquid, squidGuard, etc.), one for snort/suricata (perhaps "IDS/IPS Packages"), but beyond that I'm not sure any warrant a package-specific board.

+1
Do NOT PM for help!

Offline jdillard

  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 534
  • Karma: +124/-1
  • Web Dude
    • View Profile
    • Personal Website
Re: New packages subsection for Squid-related stuff
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2015, 04:08:01 pm »
I created the two categories, let me know if I messed something up.

Offline doktornotor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8553
  • Karma: +962/-278
  • Not a pfSense employee, they cannot fire me...
    • View Profile
Re: New packages subsection for Squid-related stuff
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2015, 07:15:23 am »
Uhm... can we start using it, please? :D (Moving the recent threads there would be nice, but definitely at least when I report a misplaced thread, I'd appreciate to get it moved to the new subsections when it belongs there. Like, this one: https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=90078.0)

TIA :D
Do NOT PM for help!

Offline jdillard

  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 534
  • Karma: +124/-1
  • Web Dude
    • View Profile
    • Personal Website
Re: New packages subsection for Squid-related stuff
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2015, 11:56:58 am »
I moved some stickies and posts and created a new announcement sticky in packages about the new child boards. It will probably take some time for full adoption.

Offline doktornotor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8553
  • Karma: +962/-278
  • Not a pfSense employee, they cannot fire me...
    • View Profile
Re: New packages subsection for Squid-related stuff
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2015, 01:03:49 pm »
Cool, thanks ;)
Do NOT PM for help!

Offline Mr. Jingles

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1136
  • Karma: +92/-724
    • View Profile
Re: New packages subsection for Squid-related stuff
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2015, 12:46:06 pm »
I'd second this proposal for all packages.

I agree 100% with:
Quote
I for one would prefer to not wade through the tons of posts

For example, now I see there is a package update for freeradius. I like to check first if something is broken before I update, so her comes the cumbersome process of having to wade and wade and wade.

It makes much sense to give each package its own subsection, not only for Squid, just like the main layout of this forum is, where each 'sub system' of pfSense has its own section too.

I'd even help you if it is too much work:
1. I'll create the sub sections
2. I'll mass move topics to their own new sub section via 'search in title' only (provided this forum allows for that mass maintenance stuff of course; I know IPB does).

If you want me to waste some time on it, you'll need to temporary assign me to the appropriate moderators group, of course. Now here comes trust  :P

( ;D )
6 and a half billion people know that they are stupid, agressive, lower life forms.

Offline jdillard

  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 534
  • Karma: +124/-1
  • Web Dude
    • View Profile
    • Personal Website
Re: New packages subsection for Squid-related stuff
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2015, 10:56:21 am »

For example, now I see there is a package update for freeradius. I like to check first if something is broken before I update, so her comes the cumbersome process of having to wade and wade and wade.

It makes much sense to give each package its own subsection, not only for Squid, just like the main layout of this forum is, where each 'sub system' of pfSense has its own section too.


The current system of "sub-board by function" seems to be working well for now and has reduced the amount of threads to wade through considerably. If there is enough demand and it makes sense we could add an "Authentication" packages sub-board or some other appropriate name.

My worry with the "every package gets a sub-board" system is the maintenance and usability reasons, we already have a few people that don't use the new system (although it is catching on) and we have to move their threads.

You can also report threads that are out of place, with the subcategory you think it belongs to in the report description. We try and catch them as they pop up, but this helps :)