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Offline Gertjan

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Re: No way to download pfsense
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2015, 01:47:48 am »
Not forbidden, but consider this:
if your browser can't 'resolve' the certificate it receives from the web server, then .... things start to error.

Looking at this error:
files.nyi.pfsense.org uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is only valid for the following names: *.pfsense.org, pfsense.org

files.nyi.pfsense.org is a sub domain of *.pfsense.org - but, somehow, your browser says : it isn't. That's scarry.
In that case: better forget about https with that browser, use your 'plan B' browser.

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Re: No way to download pfsense
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2015, 01:49:59 am »
It's the latest firefox, both Windows and Linux. There is no plan B.

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Re: No way to download pfsense
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2015, 01:53:50 am »
It's the latest firefox, both Windows and Linux. There is no plan B.
That's not a reliable situation.
IF Firefox manages to send over a new version with a huge bug (let's say: certificate checking ;)), you will not be able to 'surf' anymore, neither repair (== upgrade) your Firefox.
On most Windows system, somewhere, IE is still present for the 'in case of' situations.

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Re: No way to download pfsense
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2015, 01:58:02 am »
I do not upgrade all systems at the same time. So there is always a way back. No, IE is eliminated on my Win systems.

There is no problem with firefox, huh? Might just be somewhat strict with the certificates.

But as usual in this forum, everything is fine with pfsense, always the user is just a bloddy id*ot... Got it!

btw: Why exactly is https not allowed for downloads?

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Re: No way to download pfsense
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2015, 02:07:58 am »
btw: Why exactly is https not allowed for downloads?

If you actually read this thread, already been answered. Instead of relying on broken-by-design addons (if the author wasn't an idiot, he'd try some prefetch and only force HTTPS if no certificate errors were encountered). *.pfsense.org certs will NOT work for *.subdomain.pfsense.org; it hasn't worked in any browser for years, it hasn't worked in Firefox since 2012. This behavior conforms to relevant standards, no bug there. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=495339
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Re: No way to download pfsense
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2015, 02:13:37 am »
Again, I use eff.org https-everywhere for YEARS. Also I use only Firefox for YEARS. Never had any issues with downloading pfsense.

AGAIN: Question: WHAT has changed, why is it not possible to download pfsense with this setup?

Please, stick to that question and don't try to tell me it's Firefox or me who is the problem...

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Re: No way to download pfsense
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2015, 02:26:39 am »
But as usual in this forum, everything is fine with pfsense, always the user is just a bloddy id*ot... Got it!
Noop.
Proof it to yourself : visit any https site like: www.paypal.com
You saw the green bar ? Your browser is working, certificats are ok, pfSense is working.
Btw: 'certificats' are just files, being put in TCP streams. pfSense as a NAT/Firewall does know nothing about 'certificats'.

This is a "browser can't match certificate" issue. Maybe it cached a certificate, can't contact the certificate issuer (temporalily DNS issue).

Anyway, pfSense image files are stored on "public download servers", they probably even don't use pfSense :)

Another proof/test : try downloading, bypassing the pfSense on your LAN (using the same ISP).
It works ? doesn't work ?

edit: when browsing to https://files.nyi.pfsense.org:443 I receive the same error with my FF browser - Doktornotor's https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=495339 becomes very clear !
« Last Edit: September 22, 2015, 02:30:36 am by Gertjan »

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Re: No way to download pfsense
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2015, 02:35:47 am »
May I cite from the the 2009 bug (after dusting of a little):

"This bug is invalid.   
It complains that a cert with the wildcard pattern  *.glodns.net
does not match the DNS name swiftspirit.co.za.plesk01.glodns.net
but that failure to match is REQUIRED by the relevant Internet standards.
It was the old behavior, where it _DID_ match, that was a bug.  "

So, what has changed since May 2015, as I did my last download without any problems on different systems (Win, Linux) with Firefox and https-everywhere plugin?

PLEASE, no FUD, stick to that question! Why is it not possible to download pfsense via a https connection?

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Re: No way to download pfsense
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2015, 03:06:30 am »
Why is it not possible to download pfsense via a https connection?

Are you actually reading, dude? Already told you twice. Are you going to pay for those 6 other wildcard certs yourself? There's no problem with downloading anything from mirrors. The only problem here is your idiotic browser addon making totally invalida assumptions that if there's something listening on port 443, it sure is intended and configured to serve the same content.
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Re: No way to download pfsense
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2015, 03:13:10 am »
Do you actually read, Sir? I told you that there was no problem with this setup until May 2015, so what has changed since May 2015?

Simple question.

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Re: No way to download pfsense
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2015, 03:15:18 am »
There was no problem before May 2015, there is no problem now, pretty sure there will be no problem in future either. That is, for people, who actually use the provided download links as opposed to improving those links with idiotic addons.

IOW - fix your browser or configure it to trust those "invalid" certificates if you insist on downloading via HTTPS. (At least one of those mirrors actully does NOT have HTTPS enabled anyway.) There's no problem here, except PEBKAC.
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Re: No way to download pfsense
« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2015, 03:16:18 am »
Adapt your medication, less or more. The current dose is inadequate. - not cool
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Re: No way to download pfsense
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2015, 03:16:46 am »
Thanks for your advise. Go buy more tinfoil.

I just don't get the people writing similar addons. We have multiple places where there's a normal website running on port 80. On port 443, there's a reservation system running for resellers. Same IP, same FQDN. We have other places which have a webmail on port 443. Again, same IP, same hostname. Both these examples run a completely different webserver on HTTPS port, and serve completely different content there. Beyond the above - there are zillions of websites on shared webhosting which - while serving the same content - have completely invalid certificates which belong to the webhosting company and is issued for their FQDN. Simply because HTTPS is a service that's charged as an extra, requiring further configuration, extra certificates and - at least until recently - also a separate IP address, due to lacking SNI implementation.

How on earth can anyone write addons that expect that simply rewriting http:// to https:// in browser is going to produce a working and meaningful result?
« Last Edit: September 22, 2015, 03:28:39 am by doktornotor »
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Re: No way to download pfsense
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2015, 03:37:09 am »
Again, it worked fine until May 2015 with exactly the same browser/plugin combination.

Total off topic, but: Did you ever consider that you might harm a honourable software project by the wording of your posts here? I mean, your expertise on networking is not under debate, however, your inter-personal skills ... eeeh... might need some training? If I were looking for a decent firewall and read the forum here... Wasn't that bad when I came here first 2 years ago or so...

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Re: No way to download pfsense
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2015, 03:38:06 am »
Adapt your medication, less or more. The current dose is inadequate.
The netiquette was leaving this thread likes me now too, what the hell is going on to bug us
a whole days because you will not check that your browser is the guilty and not we users here in the forum.  >:(

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PLEASE, no FUD, stick to that question! Why is it not possible to download pfsense via a https connection?
Ask the pfSense team and please donīt troll us for that, I was answering that I am also having problems downloading an ISO file via Opera and FF, but not with IE 11 & IE12, so what is now your real problem?